Joker and the Thief Original 3 decks reprints

[MagikFingerz]

"Well I appreciate your explanation, but 1. this should come out before the campaign ends, or at least before we receive our pledge. 2. no matter how "premium" the bag is, this worth $5 to me. I do not willing to pay $60 more for things like this 3. I like JT decks a lot. That's why I pledged a brick with my other account and pledged the collector box with this account, it's not like I'm just trying to mess things up. I have to say this is the most upset pledge I have ever get in my collecting history. I would like to get refund for this pledge for sure. 4. I feel bad if you are on the track of ruin JT's reputation, at the end of the day, I still like all your designs"

I'd be furious if this happened to me. And I fully concur with what akicer said above; actual cost and work/thought put into it doesn't matter the slightest when it's something as simple as a cotton drawstring bag. That's like paying a premium for a blinged out coathanger, or paper clip, or something equally mundane - nobody in their right mind would pay extra for that, let alone $60.

[guru]

We decided that this would make for a more unique collector’s item than a box that was made on cheap labour, with cheap materials in China and delivered late.

Think belittling China was entirely uncalled for. To JT creator and anyone else here who have got such biases, here is a short story for you.

A woman and her young son had come to the ashram to speak to Mahatama Gandhi. She complained about her child’s addiction to sugar. “My son won’t stop eating sugar”, she told Gandhi. “Please tell him to stop.” Gandhi listened to her, and then asked her to come back in two weeks.

Two weeks later the woman and her child sat in front of Gandhi. He looked at the boy and said “stop eating sugar”. The mother was perplexed. “Why couldn’t you have told him this 2 weeks ago?” To which he replied, “Madam, two weeks ago I was still eating sugar”.

I love this story! It speaks to me about being honest with yourself, and not telling others to do what you’re not doing yourself. Gandhi could have used his position to command the boy, and the boy would have listened. Yet he took on first giving up sugar himself, and then spoke from this position of understanding and integrity.

On one hand if you still use products made in China like iPhone or other tech accessories , clothing, shoes etc., and on the other hand you talk as above, I will simply ask Walk the talk, don't just talk the talk. When you’re telling someone to do something, first check – am I doing this in my own life? It’s always easy to see where others can improve. It’s harder to see when we are doing the same thing!

@akicer - I do empathize with you. Hope this gets resolved in your favor.

[shermjack]

I agree with Sunish about belittling China and actually wrote them about it...these guys have no class at all and live up to their name and brand...Jokers and Thieves! No class at all and I will never back their projects or decks again...hope many will follow suit.

[PipChick]

I agree with Sunish about belittling China and actually wrote them about it...these guys have no class at all and live up to their name and brand...Jokers and Thieves! No class at all and I will never back their projects or decks again...hope many will follow suit.

+1000

The only one being cheap and of low quality is the producer here for tryin' to pull such a dirty bait & switch - Jokers & Thieves indeed!

[sinjin7]

I gave up on J&T a long time ago. They kept bungling their early campaigns, their decks were over-priced, and their shipping rates were atrocious. I don't have any skin in this game since I didn't back this campaign, but I feel compelled to comment after seeing this egregious bait and switch.

The bottom line is they promised a premium boxed set and charged for it. They had the option to follow through on their promise of the premium boxes, they just didn't want to pay for it. They miscalculated the cost (no big surprise here) and instead of eating the higher-than-expected cost in order to to provide the premium boxes as promised to their supporters, they go ultra cheap with cotton bags instead. They tried to justify their untenable decision by saying it is better solution than going with crappy boxes and enduring delays. Sorry J&T, the proper and honorable solution would've been to pony up the money (since it's your fault you miscalculated the costs) and provide the premium boxes. This sadly illustrates the low regard they have of their supporters by switching things up after they pocketed their backer's money and going in such a drastically different and cheaper direction, all without saying a peep to their backers. Did they really think they could just sneak this by? Unbelievable. I believe backers would've preferred a few months delay to receive a quality product over getting cotton bags.

This comment is especially laughable: "We found something that suited our brand imagery better. The cotton bags that we selected are of premium quality, and 100% eco and sustainable, sourced and made in Australia." Wow, who knew Australia was so renowned for producing such premium quality cotton? By the way, isn't all cotton basically 100% eco and sustainable? After this debacle J&T's reputation should be flushed down the toilet, so the only true statement they made is that cheap cotton bags DO suit their brand imagery better. Every backer of the boxed set should demand and receive a prompt apology and refund.

[akicer]

No response from this James guy now. Obviously he believes he did the explanation job and he thinks everything will be fine and people move on from this scam.

they made > $3000 extra money on the limited tiers and I do not see how they will let it go, especially given what they have done. Just checked the updates on ks, the creator intentionally avoid talking about the collector's box all the time, I believe it's time to give up on getting money back. Anyway it's not that much money (and now we know that jt brand worth this much).

I am Iooking forward to their new campaigns, I will just back and leave a comments lead the backers to this campaign page and delete my pledge, will also comment on their new ins as well. I have never done that before, but I believe they deserves this extra effort.

P.S. his comment on Chinese stuff shows how low he is, everything combined, I believe people now have a pretty good idea what kind of creator he is

[rorschach]

they made > $3000 extra money on the limited tiers and I do not see how they will let it go, especially given what they have done.

Not to mention they probably made at-least half that again for every international backer whom had backed both this and the street edition campaign.

[phantom1412]

Also; They seemed to have shipped two different campaigns at the same time, but I paid for shipping on each campaign individually. Being international, I ended up paying about 30 USD to ship 4 decks, that should have cost about half that, if not less. Does anybody know if they can actually do that? I couldn't find any decent Kickstarter information on it, and of course they have not responded to my direct messages.

I backed the 3 decks set here and cancelled my pledge on street edition. I massaged them hoping I could add on later to save shipping cost. But they told me no. So I gave up on the street edition.

[rousselle]

Wow.

[theCapraAegagrus]

SO glad that I backed out of these at the last second.

[Decknowledgy]

On another note, JPGames have restocked all decks from this series printed by USPCC

[shermjack]

So, as per his Instagram, it seems that James is going to Bali next month...I bet on all the money he made from shafting his backers

[PipChick]

So, as per his Instagram, it seems that James is going to Bali next month...I bet on all the money he made from shafting his backers

what an @sshole

[Bradius]

Jokers and Thieves. We should have seen it coming.

[hsbc]

what an @sshole

Off-topic but I've been meaning to ask, is uncensored swearing not allowed here?

[rousselle]

what an @sshole

Off-topic but I've been meaning to ask, is uncensored swearing not allowed here?

So, there is one "rule" stipulated in the rules section (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6) regarding swearing:

Persistent rudeness, excessive profanity (or attempts to bypass profanity filters), personal attacks, harassment, bullying, inflammatory posts (i.e. trolling) will not be tolerated.

The current group of mods tend to try to persuade y'all to play nice, rather than stamping our foot down, although a couple of personality clashes keep us on our toes more than we'd prefer. That said, the "profanity filter" in place only censors a couple of keywords, and when those are typed without any kind of modification, the sequence of letters in question is replaced with the helpful replacement text of "BAN WARNING." This can lead to some humorous and unintended results. When I was admin of UC's now-defunct sister site, I used "Smurf" instead, which I thought was much more hilarious. To each his or her own.

That said, we're not a bunch of fuddy duddies. Feel free to use clever and colorful language. Just... don't be *too* clever and colorful too often, okay, please?

[othello]

Funny. They replied to someone who has yet to receive their package, but could not be bothered to reply to the 10 comments calling them out on their bait and switch scam. Now I sincerely hope their next KS doesn't fund.

[theCapraAegagrus]

what an @sshole

Off-topic but I've been meaning to ask, is uncensored swearing not allowed here?

So, there is one "rule" stipulated in the rules section (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6) regarding swearing:

Persistent rudeness, excessive profanity (or attempts to bypass profanity filters), personal attacks, harassment, bullying, inflammatory posts (i.e. trolling) will not be tolerated.

The current group of mods tend to try to persuade y'all to play nice, rather than stamping our foot down, although a couple of personality clashes keep us on our toes more than we'd prefer. That said, the "profanity filter" in place only censors a couple of keywords, and when those are typed without any kind of modification, the sequence of letters in question is replaced with the helpful replacement text of "BAN WARNING." This can lead to some humorous and unintended results. When I was admin of UC's now-defunct sister site, I used "Smurf" instead, which I thought was much more hilarious. To each his or her own.

That said, we're not a bunch of fuddy duddies. Feel free to use clever and colorful language. Just... don't be *too* clever and colorful too often, okay, please?

IMO, as an adult, it's more fun/funny to call someone a b-hole (and use other such non-profane words).

I type "f^&*" around here to censor myself, but it's usually only used to accent the severity of my emotional reaction to a post or topic. Like, "that deck is f^&*ing gorgeous".

I find that, if you avoid using it during a disagreement, you get a pass. We're mostly adults here and the PG-13 language is typical mannerism in America.

[vasta41]

When 2pc comments on 95% of the decks posted here there is a filter in place that changes "this deck is fuc&in horrible" to "easy pass."

Dating myself but who here remembers "he who shall not be named" God, that was SO annoying.

[Merlebird]

a couple of personality clashes keep us on our toes more than we'd prefer

Me arguing with the voices in my head is a "personality clash" only in the most technical of terms!

[theCapraAegagrus]

When 2pc comments on 95% of the decks posted here there is a filter in place that changes "this deck is fuc&in horrible" to "easy pass."

Dating myself but who here remembers "he who shall not be named" God, that was SO annoying.

You're soooooooooo funny...

[MagikFingerz]

When 2pc comments on 95% of the decks posted here there is a filter in place that changes "this deck is fuc&in horrible" to "easy pass."

Dating myself but who here remembers "he who shall not be named" God, that was SO annoying.

You're soooooooooo funny...

The funny part is that inside 2pc's head, there's a filter that works the other way

[akicer]

just checked the campagin page again, haha this suxker is replying messages now, but ignoring all the comments about the box set. I kind of like CCollector's comment, I will show up on all their future campains and posts on IG/FB together with him/her lol

[LouCipherr]

Oh, but wait. It get's better. Just posted in the comments section of the campaign:

Joker and the ThiefCreator
9 minutes ago
Hey everyone, we understand your concerns and have taken our time to consider your comments regarding the limited edition set. We trusted that our choices to deliver a product on time would be received positively. Taking into account our communication error, we realise our decisions obviously haven’t passed muster for some of you. To those backers, we ask you to move your concerns to our private messages where they can be resolved in the best way possible.

Thank you for your cooperation in advance.

- The Joker and the Thief Playing Card Co.


Did these guys really just say "We trusted that our choices to deliver a product on time would be received positively"?!?

Yeah, it might have been if maybe if you delivered, y'know, what you actually promised. Delivering "on time" doesn't mean squat when what is delivered is not what was purchased and no forewarning that what you were going to receive was different than what you pledged for.

Thanks to all (and especially akicer) for bringing this to everyone's attention. I certainly will never back any future projects by these guys .

[Decknowledgy]

I've just purchased the full Joker and the Thief 4-deck set just because of admiration of the work.
But to be frank, after seeing this, even if their artwork is decent, the J&T or Maiden would be the full stop for my support for them. They've practically ruined their whole reputation.

*slow-clap in Rick 'n Morty*

[hsbc]

"Please stop complaining about us here in public"

[montenzi]

Nothing personal. Just one cool cartoon movie "Backers vs. Creators on KS"

Watch from 15th minute till the end

Enjoy on YouTube:

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=DBQWzvOP8PE?t=888[/youtube]

(Mike: fixed the PICKY youtube code paste. "youtu.be" doesn't work AND "/watch?v=" is required!)

[akicer]

So, there's some actions from the creator after they finally realized that they cannot let if pass silently




Thank you for taking the time to get in touch with us. We hear your concerns and we understand how you feel regarding this particular reward. We’d also like to apologise for our communication error.

We are unable to issue refunds to backers of this project due to all funds going directly into production and fulfilment of this project.

However, here’s what we can do for you - We are more than happy to compensate you and dispatch a set of 3 decks (Red, White, Blue) as a show of good faith and by way of apology.

We will have this sent out within a week.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

Cheers,
- The Joker and the Thief Team


To me, better than nothing, but that doesn't save their reputation

[theCapraAegagrus]

...To me, better than nothing, but that doesn't save their reputation

This.

[shermjack]

So, there's some actions from the creator after they finally realized that they cannot let if pass silently




We are unable to issue refunds to backers of this project due to all funds going directly into production and fulfilment of this project.

To me, better than nothing, but that doesn't save their reputation

All the money was spent on production and fulfillment my ass! More like James already booked his trip to Bali...What a bunch of assholes!