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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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sms69x wrote:Well it seems that in the end the deck will be made!
I didn't backed this deck, despite the fact that I like it very much, because Natalia keeps overchargind Int'l backers on shipping, not to mention that $14 for an EPCC deck is quite a bit.
I'm happy this deck will be made, and I'll for sure get it later.
Hard-pressed to find a reason why $11 is over-charging for international postage....
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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portcullis wrote:
sms69x wrote:Well it seems that in the end the deck will be made!
I didn't backed this deck, despite the fact that I like it very much, because Natalia keeps overchargind Int'l backers on shipping, not to mention that $14 for an EPCC deck is quite a bit.
I'm happy this deck will be made, and I'll for sure get it later.
Hard-pressed to find a reason why $11 is over-charging for international postage....
Well when in the price of the deck there's already domestic shipping built in, it shoulb be easy for you to understand why $11 is overcharging.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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So you're not backing a deck on KS because you're paying too much in international postage, yet you're willing to buy it at a later date - probably from a third party seller, likely on ebay and thus not from Natalia herself? Most be a pretty sweet deal he's got going on postage .... because I'm nearly 100% certain you'll pay more than 9 euros.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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portcullis wrote:So you're not backing a deck on KS because you're paying too much in international postage, yet you're willing to buy it at a later date - probably from a third party seller, likely on ebay and thus not from Natalia herself? Most be a pretty sweet deal he's got going on postage .... because I'm nearly 100% certain you'll pay more than 9 euros.
Thank you for your concern! But buying is not the only way to get this deck (take note)
And to be honest would rather buy the deck from a reseller and pay more, than buying it now from someone who is clearly taking advantage of int'l backers. Is a matter of principles, not that you care, after all you are paying only $14 for this deck.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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No, I'm paying for shipping - don't let my country designation here fool you!!! [Oh, oh dear, it seems it has]. And I'm happy to do so, Natalia's one of the best around.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter (wap)

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As I said, domestic shipping already built in the deck price. But I guess that's too much for you to understand...
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) Now Live on Kickstarter

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Almost half a year later and this one has yet to be produced. I see she posted a vague update in January about the deck being in production. 2 months later she posted the same update. Tell me that doesn't sound just a tad fishy. Not trying to knock her but her communication on projects is lacking and they seem to take a lot longer than most to be produced and delivered.
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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You must be referring to a different project. This one was originally anticipated to ship in May of 2018. So, this one isn't late yet.

As for a couple of others, yeah....
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Natalia has failed to deliver a deck yet. Certainly none of those I have backed.
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So I defended Natalia in the Last Legion thread as I was confident that she had had personal troubles, was now back and the backers of previous campaigns would get some kind of update on them. There has been nothing on Avalon so far.

I get that life is messy sometimes and the projects are running late because of this. But god damn it, now that she has been back for sometime now, I want an update on the Avalon and what is really going on with this campaign!
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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Yeah, I find her handling of this concerning. I decided to just not back this campaign. Anyway, I need a breather.
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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Just got this update in my inbox:
Natalia Silva (Creator) wrote:Production process and shipping!!!

Dear Backers,

So Sorry, I didn't posted a lot of updates lately.

I don't really want to post an update without exact dates or new info.

But.....since some of my backers are very anxious at the moment and spreading negativity into the world, I am writing you to let you know that everything is going well with "AVALON" production, we will have a delay, but it shouldn't be significant. Because now I have delivery limits and if my printing company not going to deliver it on time, I will take all the money back and just refund it.

I have 13 successful campaign and produces over 30 decks in a past 3 years. I know how it works. Sometimes everything is on time and smooth.........sometimes you have to deal with some unexpected problems and have some delays. It's not something new to me, so I am actually very relaxed about that. At the end I will always send extra free deck if I have a big delay. No other creator does that, because it's a lost of money. I do....because Kickstarter / designing decks is not really how I make living.......it's my passion, my hobby, something that makes me happy and something that I want to share with you.

Thank you so much for your kind support and patience!

If you have any question, please, let me know!

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Yeah if you can really call that an "update". It's pretty much the same update she posted twice before since January. Absolutely zero new information and just supposed delays. How can a creator not have any delivery information after 6 months? And what is the source of all these supposed production problems? After all this time you would think she would find a different printer if things are that bad. This update does not give me any confidence in her, just more of the same and still no new information. Her projects are just dragging on and on, eventually backers will wake up I hope.
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Almost a year later and still nothing and Natalia has seemingly disappeared. She won't get another cent from me and I hope i'm not the only one, her behavior is not acceptable.
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And here I was hoping that there was some sign of life in this project. Nope, just another rant by Victor. ;) Sigh.....
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Eric Lee wrote:And here I was hoping that there was some sign of life in this project. Nope, just another rant by Victor. ;) Sigh.....
Hey don't hate me, hate the creator who disappeared with backers money.
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I have this vision of the Lady of the Lake reaching out of the lake with my deck in hand. I can dream at least .
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Bradius wrote:I have this vision of the Lady of the Lake reaching out of the lake with my deck in hand. I can dream at least .
Strange women lying in ponds distributing decks is no basis for a fulfillment system. :ugthink:
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He's right, Bradius. Supreme project fulfillment derives from a sophisticated distribution model, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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Until this chick supplies an update she belongs BEHIND BARS.
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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jerichoholic wrote:
Eric Lee wrote:And here I was hoping that there was some sign of life in this project. Nope, just another rant by Victor. ;) Sigh.....
Hey don't hate me, hate the creator who disappeared with backers money.
Peace, man. Not hating you. (hence the wink) I do watch your reviews as you've got the most comprehensive deck reviews out there . Respect that your dedication to your channel where you actually opened DB's MS Create Magic deck to review it when even David of MO couldn't bring himself to open his at the time.

Just that there were so many similar posts on both KS and here with all her delayed decks. I was seriously hoping that there was an update of some kind.
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Comment left by Ausha on the project page:
I'm going to file a complaint with the FTC by the end of the month if there are no meaningful updates from Natalia. Saying that she is also waiting only works for so long. I suggest that anyone in the US that feels the same way should also look into this avenue.
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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Holy guacamole, an update!
Dear Backers,

Happy Halloween!

Also, here is a quick update about our production process!

Unfortunately, we are having some unexpected problems with production process and that causes a delay. I didn't wanted to go into the details too much, but because a lot of you were wondering what's going on............. I will tell you a little. Basically, because we were printing a lot of campaigns at the same time, wrong final files with the artwork somehow were printed, so thousands of wrong decks......................and of course printing company doesn't want to be responsible for that and reprint for free all the decks. It was a big fight.

But finally we came to an agreement on reprinting the decks......that's what happening. So, no reason to worry.....at the end final product will be delivered.

Thank you so much everyone for you patience and kindness :)

I one more thing......it's amazing to see how some people who you thought were your friends turned against you when you have a difficult time................I delivered all of my 11 previous campaign and I always will...............so thank you so much to all my true friends and supporters, and thank you haters :)

Please, note, that I will not post an update about "nothing".............every week, I will only post it when I have decks ready to ship for you.

Thank you so much!

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Not good form to whine about one’s backers, not at all, but at least we get something at last. I hope the tale is true and we see actual decks some day rather than just words.
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Please, note, that I will not post an update about "nothing".............every week, I will only post it when I have decks ready to ship for you.
This part pisses me off. Posting an update to let us know that there is no status change but you are still there working on the project is preferable to months of radio silence after the project is past due.
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Wow. I have no dog in this fight as I'm not a fan of Natalia's work but regardless I've been following along with these campaigns and I have to say her unprofessionalism is appalling. Here's hoping that the next time one of her campaigns goes up everyone remembers how she has handled things. Absolutely shameful.
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CupcakeBaron wrote:Wow. I have no dog in this fight as I'm not a fan of Natalia's work but regardless I've been following along with these campaigns and I have to say her unprofessionalism is appalling. Here's hoping that the next time one of her campaigns goes up everyone remembers how she has handled things. Absolutely shameful.
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it's amazing to see how some people who you thought were your friends turned against you when you have a difficult time
This is a blatant lie. No one turned against her because she had a difficult time. People turned against her because she STOLE THEIR MONEY! People turned on her because she not only failed to meet a project deadline and refused to update her backers who collectively gave her thousands of dollars, but also because she had the balls to start a new project asking for more money before delivering or at least updating on her current project.
Not to mention how would we even know she was having a "difficult time" since she went AWOL and didn't update anyone?? Being a mod I feel a slight sense of responsibility not to defame her suffice to say I loathe this woman. And where's the Crazy deck update???
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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vasta41 wrote:
it's amazing to see how some people who you thought were your friends turned against you when you have a difficult time
This is a blatant lie. No one turned against her because she had a difficult time. People turned against her because she STOLE THEIR MONEY! People turned on her because she not only failed to meet a project deadline and refused to update her backers who collectively gave her thousands of dollars, but also because she had the balls to start a new project asking for more money before delivering or at least updating on her current project.
Not to mention how would we even know she was having a "difficult time" since she went AWOL and didn't update anyone?? Being a mod I feel a slight sense of responsibility not to defame her suffice to say I loathe this woman. And where's the Crazy deck update???
Her campaigns ended before my obsess..., erm, hobby kicked off so I do not really have any skin in the game here but it seems to me, given the problem she encountered with the printers and the launch of a new deck before delivering the old one, that she ended up running some sort of a Ponzi scheme with the money from the new campaign used to produce the old decks.

Shame - she seems like a talented artist (I am not a fan of her decks but the ones she has out seem to be well designed and executed) but this is clearly one of those “bit more than one can chew” stories.
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Re: Avalon by Natalia Silva

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I just hate her use of a thousands periods in place of ellipses. Gross.
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