Verum Videre (Jackson Robinson / Kings Wild Project)

[alric]

I've seen a lot of keyboard warriors hiding behind their computer screens in my day. What can be done about the Troll of UC? The great hijacker of threads. He's such a small, small man going on and on about the inadequacies of others as a way to mask his own insecurities. Tsssk tsssk zzzzzz. Its so amusing to hear one call others petty and malicious from the pettiest of them all. He clearly has no mirror in his mother's basement where he surely resides. Not everyone gets on their hands and knees to suck up to designers like you do, people are entitled to their opinions, even if negative, so get over it.
That is all, Bruno, carry on...to somewhere else.

Getting back on topic, I hate it when people proclaim "only 900 decks made available" as a means to ratchet up artificial "rarity". This probably fools simpletons like Bruno, but what I want to know is how many decks were made. I couldn't give a Bruno's ass about how many decks you're going to trickle out at a time, you can make "only 900 available" over time indefinitely. I'd like basic transparency as to how many were actually printed and in existence. I guess since he stated only 72 gold versions were printed, so I guess that's the actual amount, which is legitimately rare. But a color change and tuck swap for $48.00 per deck? PASS! $24.00 for the standard deck with no Metallux is a joke as well. To me, the design on this deck looks like Jackson just phoned it in. Many others produce letter pressed tucks, so nothing ground-breaking here, either. Jackson's gone back to the currency well just too often for me. Maybe he should just stick to making t-shirts from now on.

[Bruno]

I am all for justifyable criticism ol' mate ....
But when many on here cannot hide their insecurities/inefficiencies whilst doing so .... ?

JR profiting on his own creativity is not allowed ?

Tzzzzz, yup.

Mothers basement.
Are you serious ?
Have you no honour, Alric ?
You undermine y'self.

Easily settled.
You may ask any of the creators I engage with, any of them, ask them if Bruno sucks, ever ....
Gahead, do so.

I will not expect any sort of retraction from you at any time.

[pstaehlin]

So.... let's start talking positive about Jackson instead. Nobody's perfect but I think he's got honest intentions to make money to support his family. And I for one admire his work. Yeah, sure, some more than others. But not many card deck designers can say they have one of the rarest sought after decks out there. The Black Unbranded Reserve Note deck! ...which I wish I had.

[TGunitedcardists]

JR certainly made lots of cash for lots of backers across a number of his projects.
It is easy to differentiate the successful from the failures at that profit making exercise.
Failed profit takers clogging up these boards with the Projectioning and the Telegraphing of >Their Own Inefficiencies and Inaccuracies< ....
They never seem to tire of embarrassing themselves .... whilst vexatiously and mendaciously maligning a great volume producer who is *not in the least* interested in their >>petty and malicious negativity<<.
This is one of the >Truths<, indeed >The Truth< perpetuated throughout this thread.
That is all.
Carry on.

Do you ever make sense?

[JuFiN]

I think his artwork is pretty fantastic and those decks of his that I own (around 15 unique decks) I like a lot for the most part. Which is why its particularly unfortunate that he has started pricing his decks so highly despite a lack of features to justify it. And that he has allowed quality to slip in terms of printing as well as delivering on certain aspects of projects that were promised. As a result I find that I don't back / purchase the majority of his decks. I would love to own them, but the bad feeling of not receiving what is promised and the premium pricing for a standard spec product keeps me away. Its too expensive and risky to try to maintain collecting his decks.

The fact that he needs to make money and has enough popularity to sell large volumes of decks despite this isn't something that bothers me. I am happy for him, its great to see a card artist being able to flourish in an industry I love. What upsets me is that I don't feel I am able to be a part of it any longer.

[Adonael]

JR certainly made lots of cash for lots of backers across a number of his projects.
It is easy to differentiate the successful from the failures at that profit making exercise.
Failed profit takers clogging up these boards with the Projectioning and the Telegraphing of >Their Own Inefficiencies and Inaccuracies< ....
They never seem to tire of embarrassing themselves .... whilst vexatiously and mendaciously maligning a great volume producer who is *not in the least* interested in their >>petty and malicious negativity<<.
This is one of the >Truths<, indeed >The Truth< perpetuated throughout this thread.
That is all.
Carry on.

Do you ever make sense?

I just finished reading The Stand, and this fool immediately brought Harold Lauder to mind, funny how people like that really do exist :/

I have to admit I do love the tuck for this deck, but standard courts, and at that price? Hell no.

[Stevecru]

His biblical nonsense is annoying as well.

[vincero]

He is doing well to evangelise his faith through his tuck boxes. Unfortunately, I do not subscribe to this. I stopped buying after legal tender.

[vasta41]

If JR can sell decks of cards at higher prices than he should then who's to blame- the creator or the consumer? I have always given credit to artists that can do that. I don't like it but I don't have to like it- there are clearly enough people out there who do. So his profit-making ability doesn't bother me. And I'm sure I speak for many here when I say that his designs don't bother me either- he's a truly gifted artist. What bothers me is his "take-it-or-leave-it" attitude which I perceive as smug and arrogant. Not only do things go wrong but when they do his "solution" is either take a refund or deal with it. And for those counting here's a list of all the false promises over the years:
CRAZY 8s
What was offered: embossing on LTD tuck case
What was sold: NO embossing on LTD tuck case (in fairness an extra autographed deck was included for free)

TEXAS
What was offered: a black on blue color scheme on the back of the cards
What was sold: a black on very dark grey, almost black color scheme

TALLY-HO BLACK DIAMOND
What was offered: metal tuck case
What (will be) sold: wooden tuck case

LEGAL TENDER
What was offered: holographic strip on court cards
What was sold: no holographic strips

PEARL TALLY-HO
What was offered: 100 Gilded decks
What was sold: at least 200 Gilded decks

That's not even including the mistakes that were made in these and other projects (most notably the Gold Liberty deck with "LIBETY" written on the side of the tuck) but hey, we're all human- mistakes happen. But the false advertisement and unwillingness to face his critics is what will keep me from buying any more of his stuff. I know we're a tough crowd but when the going got tough, JR got going... away from UC.

[joeblow]

The metal Black Diamond was actually delivered.

As for this project, the Gold edition says "only 72 Gold editions produced". Does this refer to the packaging only? Is the USPC minimum run still 1000? Will 900+ gold decks surface later in some other package?

I'm usually supportive of JR and attribute many of the issues to production challenges, but these numbers just don't add up. This is something different.

[theCapraAegagrus]

JR certainly made lots of cash for lots of backers across a number of his projects.
It is easy to differentiate the successful from the failures at that profit making exercise.
Failed profit takers clogging up these boards with the Projectioning and the Telegraphing of >Their Own Inefficiencies and Inaccuracies< ....
They never seem to tire of embarrassing themselves .... whilst vexatiously and mendaciously maligning a great volume producer who is *not in the least* interested in their >>petty and malicious negativity<<.
This is one of the >Truths<, indeed >The Truth< perpetuated throughout this thread.
That is all.
Carry on.

Do you ever make sense?

[theCapraAegagrus]

If JR can sell decks of cards at higher prices than he should then who's to blame- the creator or the consumer? I have always given credit to artists that can do that. I don't like it but I don't have to like it- there are clearly enough people out there who do. So his profit-making ability doesn't bother me. And I'm sure I speak for many here when I say that his designs don't bother me either- he's a truly gifted artist. What bothers me is his "take-it-or-leave-it" attitude which I perceive as smug and arrogant. Not only do things go wrong but when they do his "solution" is either take a refund or deal with it. And for those counting here's a list of all the false promises over the years:
CRAZY 8s
What was offered: embossing on LTD tuck case
What was sold: NO embossing on LTD tuck case (in fairness an extra autographed deck was included for free)

TEXAS
What was offered: a black on blue color scheme on the back of the cards
What was sold: a black on very dark grey, almost black color scheme

TALLY-HO BLACK DIAMOND
What was offered: metal tuck case
What (will be) sold: wooden tuck case

LEGAL TENDER
What was offered: holographic strip on court cards
What was sold: no holographic strips

PEARL TALLY-HO
What was offered: 100 Gilded decks
What was sold: at least 200 Gilded decks

That's not even including the mistakes that were made in these and other projects (most notably the Gold Liberty deck with "LIBETY" written on the side of the tuck) but hey, we're all human- mistakes happen. But the false advertisement and unwillingness to face his critics is what will keep me from buying any more of his stuff. I know we're a tough crowd but when the going got tough, JR got going... away from UC.

Honestly, though:

1. The lack of embossing on the Crazy 8's tuck cases was, intentionally or otherwise, an improvement. It fits the childish artwork of the theme.

2. I don't think that the black-on-blue would have looked as good as some may have expected. They're not very complimentary colors outside of MTG.

3. As stated, the metal case was delivered (albeit late), and this didn't affect the form or functionality of the decks in the slightest bit. Non-point IMO.

4. This one is valid; as is the lack of tuck seals promised.

5. How can you complain about a mistake corrected in the first 24 hours of the campaign, that matches the numbers offered in previous campaigns, and provides more availability to backers and customers? Very non-sensible.

You gotta let some things go. Look at how many iterations designers go through just by communicating with collectors here. The only unreasonable change he made on your list was the Legal Tender item. That was a bad campaign, but all things being equal, the artwork was some of his very best.

[vasta41]

Your personal opinions on the Crazy 8 and Texas campaigns are just that- your opinions. The fact is what was promised and what was actually delivered were two different things. I stand corrected on the Tally-Ho projects- when I first came up with this list (with help from hikeeba: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9375&p=112357&hilit ... ic#p112357" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) it was before these issues were rectified. But my general point to all of this is BUYER BEWARE. And as far as letting things go, I'm a stubborn Italian- I let NOTHING go

[RichK]

Vasta,

Add this to your list.

ARTHURIAN
What was offered Signed Key card for those who bought Limited Camelot "Book" Edition
What was sold Unsigned Key card in Display deck

Now I emailed JR and he explained to me he was able to get the unsigned key cards printed and put in display deck which makes sense to me. He did send me an opened display deck and signed the key card but only because I made the effort to contact him. If you have the Limited Camelot Book, which turned out very nice in my opinion, with no signed key card like he said we'd get and want it email him at jackson [at] kingswildproject.com and ask.

[rousselle]

Some on this thread are saying that there's nothing new/interesting going on with this deck, but didn't the Kardify article say that there would be five metallic inks on the courts? Or, am I misremembering?

Metallic inks are more expensive. It's very rare to see as many as five on a deck (although T11's Purple Jaqk deck looks like it might have four or five, and the effect is pretty awesome. Of course... they do so at high enough quantities to be able to lower the price to $10 per deck....) I look forward to seeing reviews of the deck once it's in people's hands. While I won't be backing any more of Jackson's KS projects, I'm not opposed to purchasing an existing deck if it sounds worthwhile.

So, am I remembering correctly that this deck is supposed to have five metallic inks on the cards themselves (not just the tuck)? I *think* I'm talking about the same deck... but it's early, and I'm tired. I'm sure you all will be kind enough to correct me if I'm wrong.

>ducks<

[RichK]

Yes, 5 metallic inks on the courts. Seems strange since I don't see 5 colors on what's shown, unless the Diamond/Heart have different colors.

[rousselle]

All that said, I still have a yen to see JR's Japanese currency deck.

[RichK]

I hope you're not pounding your fists in anger waiting for JR to finish the England currency deck rousselle.

[Bikefanatic]

If a designer says that x amount of decks will be available, I usually don't care about what's the actual total because it'll make sense that they'll keep plenty of decks for themselves. Like Giovanni for example.

I seen they're both sold out. I won't buy in the after market either. Interesting how these will be sold.

[RichK]

1 p.m. EST sale started.

[vasta41]

If a designer says that x amount of decks will be available, I usually don't care about what's the actual total because it'll make sense that they'll keep plenty of decks for themselves. Like Giovanni for example.

I seen they're both sold out. I won't buy in the after market either. Interesting how these will be sold.

JR has had at least a few overrun sales where the decks are clearly marked as such. So even if there are more decks the "original" ones should be easily identifiable and also not depreciate in value.

[badpete69]

1 p.m. EST sale started.

still Pass..................................

Edit and sold out.......

[Bradius]

As expected, these went fast. Heck, even if you didnt want the deck, I am sure you could resale the Gold edition for a big markup. I am not so sure though about the White edition, but that will also probably resell well. I am in for a Gold Edition. Maybe I can sell it for a King’s Ransom.

[Trungbreezy]

I saw these on sale and I couldn't get myself to buy these.
The gold edition was around $48 US and the white edition was $24 US and it honestly didn't look too special to me.
From a outside perspective it looks like he's trying to make money back from his 62 Heidelberg Letter Press.
However this is just my opinion nonetheless people are still going to buy it.
I'm a fan of KWP, but this deck is gonna be a definite pass for me.

[rousselle]

White Edition currently appears to be available, FWIW.

[alric]

If a designer says that x amount of decks will be available, I usually don't care about what's the actual total because it'll make sense that they'll keep plenty of decks for themselves. Like Giovanni for example.

I seen they're both sold out. I won't buy in the after market either. Interesting how these will be sold.

I don't mind if a designer keeps some decks in reserve for themselves, either. But I don't like it when someone actually prints 2500 to 5000 decks, and then sells them with artificial rarity by saying "only 700 available" causing people to think, "Oh shit, this deck is ultra rare!" Then some months later they'll sell them again saying "only 700 available", over and over again. We've seen D$D and T11 pull this bullshit in the past. If Jackson only printed 1000 white decks and only 72 gold decks somehow, then its all good. But if he's got over 2000+ of these fuckers and he tries to sell them again, or put them in different tucks and re-sell them, then he's just full of shit, regardless of how many Bible verses he quotes. The only positive I see here is that he's staying off Kickstarter. Although I guess all this accomplishes is that we'll be disappointed in a matter of weeks instead of 9 to 12 months later. That, and he doesn't have to give Kickstarter any share of his profits.....

[Bruno]

Stop stamping your feet boyo.

[alric]

Stop stamping your feet boyo.

This unproductive, trollish comment was so predictable. As will be the follow-up. smh

[Bruno]

Have a cuppa man.
Kings Wild can produce and sell more of whatever in whatever numbers they want, that is a practical fact.

Your mendacious negativity counts for nought.
Say what you like, however you want, you are still an unproducing nobody.
Create, if you can.

[shaitani]

...
Then some months later they'll sell them again saying "only 700 available", over and over again. We've seen D$D and T11 pull this bullshit in the past.

I've only been collecting a relatively short time so i might not have experienced what you're talking about. But, can you provide specific examples for these two sellers?

I know for sure Ellusionist does this, I can pull up emails where they've outright lied, but I've never seen Theory 11 do it. Dan and Dave do some grandiose talking about their decks (which I consider completely legitimate) but I've also never heard them lie to or trick their customers.