Intaglio Hand Engraved by Jackson Robinson - LIVE on KS

[sprouts1115]

I hate to be an ass, but isn't this under "Custom Deck Drafting Board" I have to hand it to you Jackson. This is more than just moving from a ribbon transition to a cloth transition. You are now on a path with Master of the Playing Card Engraving is very special and you can only get better... Who else is doing this? With Card making you have so much knowledge. Things are going to happen soon...

[sprouts1115]

Jackson Robinson has become The Master of the Playing Cards. His skills are complete.

Launching tomorrow at 12 pm central on Kickstarter, Intaglio. My biggest Kickstarter endeavor yet. A collection of playing cards hand engraved and printed on 19th Century printing presses.

https://vimeo.com/222770825

[pstaehlin]

Based on what I've seen in the video, the card designs look very nice. I'm up for buying one. ...or two ...or...three

[badpete69]

With 5 plates done this project should ship by Christmas....... 2021

[jerichoholic]

Made in China quality though

[shaitani]

This looks really cool and I'm very excited to know and see more, but I don't know enough about what it means to have each plate created by hand. Can someone who is knowledgeable in this area chime in? How is this different for example from what Lotrek has done with Golden Oath? Do the plates imply the whole deck will be foiled?

In short what is special about the outcome of this "never before done" technique? Also are we going to see the same inferior quality card stock as legal tender? Because that would be a shame for something like this.

[Räpylätassu]

Made in China quality though

Really...? He is going to make playing cards by hand in a method from 200 years ago and you complain that the quality is not good as with modern technology? Well no fuc*ing shit the quality is not going to be perfect.

This really is a project like non-other. I love that Jackson is trying this and hope that he delivers!

[chach]

Made in China quality though

Really...? He is going to make playing cards by hand in a method from 200 years ago and you complain that the quality is not good as with modern technology? Well no fuc*ing shit the quality is not going to be perfect.

This really is a project like non-other. I love that Jackson is trying this and hope that he delivers!

I believe he means that the bulk of the decks are going to be printed by EPCC. It was my understanding that there will be a limited number of decks printed off the hand engraved copper plates, which will be $$$$$, then there will be a lot more printed regularly by EPCC for just $$.

This looks really cool and I'm very excited to know and see more, but I don't know enough about what it means to have each plate created by hand. Can someone who is knowledgeable in this area chime in? How is this different for example from what Lotrek has done with Golden Oath? Do the plates imply the whole deck will be foiled?

What Jack$on is doing here is doing main artwork on computer then taking a copper plate, laying out the artwork on it and then engraving it by hand (well with modern engravers tools). That plate is then used in a press to make one card at a time. Very tedious process and there will only be a small number of decks actually printed this way.

But I'm with Pete, only 5 plates made thus far and I remember him first talking about this ages ago, I wouldn't expect it any time this year. And while engraving is a tedious process that takes some skill, it really shouldn't take more than a few hours per plate.

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[montenzi]

Made in China quality though

Yet another tasteless remark. Nothing new.


Love the idea. 90 hand engraved plates? Wow! So cool!

[sinjin7]

No one disputes Jackson's talent, but these are strictly for collectors only, almost more of a novelty. I like to use my cards, so these don't do much for me. Plus, I'm not getting anything from Jackson on Kickstarter anymore. Jackson's shown he can't manage campaigns in a competent or efficient manner. And this looks to be more labor-intensive than anything he's done before, so I hope no one's holding their breath in getting these in any sort of timely manner.

But my biggest issue with Jackson is I can't trust him anymore. He's known for several months now that his Legal Tender decks are erroneously marked as made in Taipee (Taiwan) instead of made in China. I implored him to post an Update on his Legal Tender KS to make it clear to all his backers that the cards are printed in China so that there won't even be a hint of a perception that he's trying to mislead anybody or hiding anything. It just takes a brief 5 minutes for him to post such update, but he still hasn't done so. Again, its been several months since he's known about this. For an individual who's so inclined to post Bible verses on his KS campaigns and website, I find it highly hippocritical that he either doesn't recognize the deception of his mislabelled tuck, or that he can't be bothered to do anyting to clear up any misunderstandings. Jackson's art is good, but it's not that good. The Intaglio project is an easy pass for me.

[Thedissident001]

The Legal Tender debacle did immense damage to his brand, no doubt. It was also discussed having more decks in the series than the US/Chinese currencies already delivered. He would be wise to abandon the series, as he will likely suffer a big drop off in backers if he launches any follow up.
Whilst I admire his aspiration to deliver the Intaglio deck, I question it on a number of different levels. The primary attraction for delivering a project involving hand engraving would be the nostalgic element to producing a deck in a traditional way - his marketing of the deck thus far supports this - but he is using computer generated images as a base from which to work off? As intimated in the posts above, this way of working is likely to be incredibly labour intensive, making delays almost guaranteed. The deficiencies in end product generated out of working this way will throw at least as many backers out of favour as those who may be attracted by it.
I commend his resolve but can only really see this project further splintering his supporter base and continuing the decline of a once great brand.

[pablo]

I don't understand why he would start the kickstarter now, unless its an old video and by now he has most of the plates completed.


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[sms69x]

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I couldn't care less about this project... Jack$on has proven one thing (lately), he just don't care about what he's delivering, as long as he makes money out of it. So for this deck I'm sure he'll make tons of money, but what he'll deliver that's another thing altogether... There's a tremendous risk in supporting this project (last time I heard him saying that a specific card project - Legal Tender - was his natural next step the things didn't went so well), as he as proven in the past, you can't trust his word on what the final product will be. Also with his latest late deliver time, you can only guess when you'll get this deck, I would say something going form one to two years from now, but that's just my guess...

I'm sure this will be a hit, and I hope, for everybody sake, that he can keep his word, but I hardly doubt it (insert here a nasty comment about Legal Tender )...

[montecarlojoe]

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[vasta41]

The Legal Tender debacle did immense damage to his brand, no doubt.

I'd like to believe that but I don't think it's true. I recall reading somewhere on here (or one of the older UC versions) that we (UC) make up about 10% of the KS-pledging market. And whether you believe that or not, believe this- JR has abandoned us with no evidence of ever coming back but continues to create and promote decks of cards. Which goes to show you that our footprint isn't as large as we think it is. His decks are still selling very well in the aftermarket and his projects will still fund trifold. So outside of this community I'm not sure how many other people care about all his recent mistakes, carelessness, etc.
I personally hope that he came down to earth a bit after feeling some sort of fire to his feet but it might be wishful thinking. Either way I'm not backing this project as I didn't back his last.

[Mike Ratledge]

I'm dubious of this simply because of the reason already mentioned: any attempt to hand emboss the decks from computer generated files is bound to be a problem waiting for a mess.

The Legal Tender decks are proof that he will deliver a less than quality product. I have refused to comment so far, but my US Legal Tender decks aren't even sealed correctly. Loose cellophane for one thing.-and consistently that way. I suppose that it's possible mine came from a "bad spot" in the process, but...

[shaitani]

I'd like to do some math on how long it should take him to do these plates...

Assumptions from the video:

• JR said it "may" take him 2-3 days per plate.
• He's already done 5 plates.
• He also said 4 plates per court (although I suspect this number will drop to 2 when he realizes how long it's taking and how long it takes to align with the other plates)

So, with 54 cards minimum, and let's say 2-4 plates per court, the range of needed plates is 66 to 90.
Working exclusively on Intaglio, it should take JR anywhere from 132 to 270 days beginning to end.

Possible Delays:

• The above estimate doesn't include the tuck plate(s) he needs
• Or bonus cards like a second joker.
• Plates that need re-doing for whatever reason
• JR is unlikely to be working 'undisturbed' on Intaglio over the next X days since like most artists his works/attention tend to overlap.

Possible Gains:

• The numbered cards may end up taking significantly less time than expected due to their sparse nature.
• His speed may improve while working on the plates, cutting down the 2-3 day turnaround time.

Since it's impossible to predict what delays and gains there might end up being, I am just going to offer my own personal estimation for completion...
With production time as well as engraving time, I think the earliest we could possibly see a fulfillment is December 2017, and the latest is December 2018.
This range based on JR working nonstop with no delays (unlikely) and barring catastrophic delays (possible).
So a realistic expectation in my eyes is summer of 2018.

[ecNate]

Claimed planned delivery in April 2018

[badpete69]

Some people had pledge by mistake on the most expensive tier for the gallery deck but they have switched now. So you get $200 off in the first tier. Still very expensive though

[pstaehlin]

Hoping to afford a "Gallery" deck, but wow! $$$$$$! Went with the Black Standard Edition deck.

[pablo]

He's made it sooooo easy to pass on this one. Unfortunately. International shipping costs are high, and I feel like he's getting worse at setting them. And im not sure why he would need 4 plates for each court card, seems to me from the rendering that they are monochrome, so one plate should suffice. Even if he did use multiple plates for one card its a recipee for disaster. Those huge differences in prices between eaely bird tiers are also a very bad strategy imo, we shall see...

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[Cardians]

Not sure what Jackson is smoking, but I'm sure this project will struggle.

Who has $2,500 - $5,000 these days for cards and some plates?

Easy pass as well..

[vasta41]

Wow, $18 for one deck shipped and not one mention of foil, embossing, etc. on the whole page. I guess he realized a little too late if you don't say anything you can't say the wrong thing. Still there aren't many campaigns (or any that I can remember off the top of my head) that don't list all the features of the deck and tuck right on the project page. So this continues to show me just how non-transparent JR actually is. Tsk tsk.

[rousselle]

Added Kickup to original post. I notice it's already 47% funded. Methinks rumors of the demise of his career are a wee bit premature.

That said, I'll wait for reviews of the finished product to come in, and then pick them up from his site if they turn out well. There's a lot of potential here, but I am... hesitant.

[shaitani]

To break this down because he's mislabelled at least one pledge tier and I barely understand what the heck is going on:

There appear to be 5 different "Gallery" decks (these are the hand engraved ones we've been talking about here)...
36 White & Red (I1a + I1b + I1c) - $445 - $545 - $645
12 Navy & Gold (mislabelled on K1) - $1500
3 White & Gold (L1) - $2500
2 Red & Gold (M1) - $3500
1 Black & Gold (N1) - $5000

And what the heck is up with that J1 tier, you pay out the ass ($650 - $750), you get a numbered plate, but no actual deck that the plate was used to print? That's an odd decision.

[RichK]

I'd think, but that's crazy of me, that spending so much for a hand printed deck you'd get to choose which color you want.

And pablo is right, why 5 plates for a court when the examples show one color? He's no Lotrek when it comes to color alignment as far as I know if they will print multiple colors per court.

[shaitani]

Not sure why he worded it this way but the tiers keep saying "One Gallery Edition Set of Intaglio Art cards"
That seems to imply ... a set, but I'm pretty certain it's just the one deck.
I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.

Good luck to everyone backing, I personally will not be, although I was very interested at first, I can't justify $500 for a red-ink 1-of-36+ gallery deck, and I can't justify $18 for single regular deck on something that might turn out to be crap. I'll try to pick one up after the project if I hear good things (I avoided Legal Tender exactly this way).

[vasta41]

The fact that he's still charging a premium for his all but standard decks leads me to believe he has still not come back down to earth. His pride and ego took no hits and as long as he still has fan boys that fund his campaigns with no questions asked he will continue to run projects like this and charge more than he should. It's a shame because his art is so good but at this point, I'm proud to say I'm a non-backer.

[Bikefanatic]

Skimming over the comments in this thread, I cancelled my pledge.

[chach]

Woke up an hour after it started, and yeah, easy easy pass for me.