UC2017 Fifth Annual Decks "Avant-garde" by Edgy Brothers

[Mike Ratledge]

Ready to launch in just over two hours. Don't miss the EB tiers!

[Mike Ratledge]

Come help fund the #UC2017 Fifth Annual Decks project on Kickstarter. Link in the OP.

[vasta41]

Shipping is messed up. Says free but 2 deck EB charged me $9....

[pablo19]

Yeah, try to get in quick for an early bird and...
international shippings done it again! Can't bring myself to pay 50% more for shipping...

Anyway, your $100 pledge tier says four decks in a brick, maybe change that

[shermjack]

What'S up with the shipping...is it really 9 US for shipping 2 decks to US?

[edgybros]

hey, everybody - my apologies for the oversight on shipping. in kickstarter, you have to choose "united states" and set shipping at $0 and then select "rest of the world" and charge the regular shipping rate in order to ensure u.s. shipping is free. i didn't do that and that has led to this error and confusion. i have rectified the error in every pledge tier that has yet to be selected, but unfortunately all the early birds were selected almost immediately before we could fix them. and kickstarter does not let you retroactively (as far as i know at the moment) change rates.

i emailed mike ratledge to go over ways to fix the error. i think he has dealt with this before and we will get it fixed. he is currently riding out hurricane matthew so communication may be slow. i assure all our united states backers that they will not pay for shipping, even if we have to issue a refund to each and every one of you to compensate for the inconvenience.

again, my apologies and we will make every effort to set this straight as soon as possible. we thank you for your support - we are off to a very promising start and we resolve to make sure every backer is satisfied. thanks again for your patience!

[edgybros]

Yeah, try to get in quick for an early bird and...
international shippings done it again! Can't bring myself to pay 50% more for shipping...

Anyway, your $100 pledge tier says four decks in a brick, maybe change that

unfortunately, that was one of the other little details that got overlooked. kickstarter won't let me change a tier once it's been selected - even if it's to change the wording. we'll look into what we can do to fix that.

[edgybros]

Okay, here's what i did. i shut down every early bird pledge tier, marking them as sold out. i then created a duplicate pledge tier offering the exact same number of decks and set the shipping charge for the united states at $0 and the rest of the world at the regular rate. everyone who has selected the old, flawed early bird pledge is advised to drop that pledge and get over and select the new early bird pledge so they can have the free shipping. if anyone is unable to get over and make that change before the new, correct early bird sells out, let us know and we'll make sure you either get a refund or we fix it some other way.

incidentally, when i made the new pledge tiers i was given the choice to set united states and "rest of world" shipping right away, and i don't think that happened when i set up the original pledge tiers, which may be why this confusion occurred. there might have been a glitch in ks's system. either way, it's still due to my oversight that all this is happening, and i resolve to fix it for everyone affected.

[Mike Ratledge]

Yep, you never see that during previews because you never go through a "check-out".

I thought it would let you change shipping? Maybe not. If that is the case, duplicate them and put US=$0 before saving the new tiers, mark the original tiers "Sold Out" so they don't go back up for sale.

[shermjack]

Thanks Guys! Pledge switched

[edgybros]

one last thing - as u.s. backers pull out of the old, flawed early bird tiers that charge for u.s. shipping and move over to the new, corrected early bird tiers to get free shipping, we realize some foreign backers may not pull out and move over since their shipping won't change and they may be concerned they won't get over before the new tier sells out.

so, as a show of good faith, we will leave the old tiers up as well and look at them as our unofficial "international early bird tiers" for any foreign backers to take advantage and get a small discount on their decks. enjoy, and sorry again for any confusion!

[edgybros]

a note on our decision to leave the old pledge tiers up - we actually decided to mark them as sold out because the tier mentions free shipping in the united states and kickstarter does not allow us to change the wording on a pledge tier once it's selected, and we don't want to continue to mislead domestic backers into thinking that they can get free shipping on those tiers when it isn't possible. so, any foreign backers that are in that pledge tier are welcome to stay, but any u.s. backers that stay in that tier will be charge for shipping. if they choose to stay in that tier and not move over for fear of not getting into the new tier before it sells out, we will issue them a refund on kickstarter at the end of the campaign for the extra shipping they were charged.

so, as of now, none of those old, flawed shipping tiers can be chosen, but we are allowing international backers to stay in them if they wish and any u.s. backers already in them may stay and notify us at the end of the campaign for their shipping refund.

[Mike Ratledge]

Thanks Guys! Pledge switched

Cool! If anyone was charged, just select "Manage Pledge" then "Change pledge" and pick the new pledge tier at the same price. When you check out with these updated tiers, the shipping will be $0

[Mike Ratledge]

Thanks Guys! Pledge switched

Thank you, Sherman! The short link is here: http://kck.st/2dVG41Y It's the easiest way to share it. We sincerely appreciate your help when you take time to share with your friends & family. That link / URL is also near the end of my signature block.

[RichK]

...but any u.s. backers that stay in that tier will be charge for shipping. if they choose to stay in that tier and not move over for fear of not getting into the new tier before it sells out, we will issue them a refund on kickstarter at the end of the campaign for the extra shipping they were charged.

I'm stuck in the $9 shipping EB since I pledged quick and had to get offline. Very glad to see I'll get a refund. Thanks!

[vasta41]

I just hope the shipping snafu (although seemingly well taken care of after-the-fact) didn't deter any buyers, thus hindering this project getting funded. However at 85% right now it's looking good so next I'll hope it doesn't hurt the chances of the green deck getting funded. And I will be THOROUGHLY disappointed if it doesn't.

[Mike Ratledge]

I just hope the shipping snafu (although seemingly well taken care of after-the-fact) didn't deter any buyers, thus hindering this project getting funded. However at 85% right now it's looking good so next I'll hope it doesn't hurt the chances of the green deck getting funded. And I will be THOROUGHLY disappointed if it doesn't.

Already funded and then some, Paul. The few people who hit the EBs with shipping are mostly members here. We should have moved them out, if they are US backers, anyway - otherwise it doesn't make any difference, methinks.

Yes, it will need some more funding to release the green foiled deck, but we have a few tricks up our sleeves.

[Mike Ratledge]

The Ultra Limited Blue Deck is numbered, etched, laser cut and comes in a carat case. Only 50 will be made, and they can be added for $50 (shipping is free). They are available now - just go to the Manage Your Pledge button and add the appropriate dollar amount to cover the number of decks you want.

Laser cut tuck dressed up in a Carat Card Case™

[vasta41]

I really REALLY hope this helps unlock the green deck. Only 5K to go!

[JuFiN]

Yea I fear if green doesnt fund the whole thing might fall apart I'm sure a lot of people would halve their pledge given that they assumed they would be getting one or two of each but don't want 2 or 4 of just the blue...

[vasta41]

Yea I fear if green doesnt fund the whole thing might fall apart I'm sure a lot of people would halve their pledge given that they assumed they would be getting one or two of each but don't want 2 or 4 of just the blue...

That's what happened with Delirium- the second color didn't fund BUT the ultra-rare version did (because it was an add-on). I wish it were vice versa then and I wish it were vice versa now because, while I appreciate limited decks, I'd rather have the more affordable one. Instead it never saw the light of day and I'll be pissed if it happens again with this campaign. Even more so because these decks are supposed to commemorate UC. And UC is black and green. So the green deck should be created. I understand that the add-ons are released to try and push the funding to reach the 2nd deck unlock goal but I fear that, as with Delirium, it will fall short. But I hope I'm proven wrong!

Also still waiting to see what UC member perk(s) there is(are)...

[MagikFingerz]

Yea I fear if green doesnt fund the whole thing might fall apart I'm sure a lot of people would halve their pledge given that they assumed they would be getting one or two of each but don't want 2 or 4 of just the blue...

That's what happened with Delirium- the second color didn't fund BUT the ultra-rare version did (because it was an add-on). I wish it were vice versa then and I wish it were vice versa now because, while I appreciate limited decks, I'd rather have the more affordable one. Instead it never saw the light of day and I'll be pissed if it happens again with this campaign. Even more so because these decks are supposed to commemorate UC. And UC is black and green. So the green deck should be created. I understand that the add-ons are released to try and push the funding to reach the 2nd deck unlock goal but I fear that, as with Delirium, it will fall short. But I hope I'm proven wrong!

Also still waiting to see what UC member perk(s) there is(are)...

The thing is though, it's (probably much) cheaper overall to produce 50 ultra limiteds than 1000 "affordable ones". That's why those are put out first, and why it wouldn't work vice versa.

That said, I'm also REALLY hoping the green deck is unlocked.

[Mike Ratledge]

It's Dave & Chris: decision, but the Blue ULE decks are sold out and I suspect that we will offer 50 green ULE decks soon.

Paul & JuFin - I suppose that I need to reset expectations or at least try to manage them. While of course the deck is cobranded by UC and we love to see the UC lime green version, the artists are and never have been under any requirement to make one. I suggest that they do, but we didn't have one in 2014 and everyone seems to be quite pleased with the results ("Grotesque").

In this case, the limited edition of decks is likely going to subsidize the standard edition, and assuming that Dave & Chris decide to produce the green limited edition both decks will be funded simply by selling those.

Making a green deck required would severely limit the ability to get good artists for the annual decks. I guess we need to talk about it more outside this thread, but for now, let's realize that the artists are doing UC a solid by helping defray the costs of hosting and other fees each year when they contribute to the Friends of UC fund, just like individuals who are members do. Last year two years' fees were paid immediately after that was received, so we are a little bit ahead for now.

Let's not politicize the annual decks, especially when they are funding. We'll work on it in the future, as I said. I think that if I simply state that the membership expects a green deck then we will be fine, right?

[Cbkimble]

What if, for future decks, we did ask for a green deck as the base deck? I don't think it's too much to ask and, of course, recolors or other LE decks could be offered. I wouldn't say it's has to be UC lime green either. It's a nice representation but may not always fit the artists style. Personally, I would like to see UC decks(le version) offered to UC users only. Just food for thought.

[vasta41]

While of course the deck is cobranded by UC and we love to see the UC lime green version, the artists are and never have been under any requirement to make one. I suggest that they do, but we didn't have one in 2014 and everyone seems to be quite pleased with the results ("Grotesque").

True, but A) there were still two decks (original and limited) produced that year and B) the following year it was almost unanimously requested that more UC branding occur.

In this case, the limited edition of decks is likely going to subsidize the standard edition, and assuming that Dave & Chris decide to produce the green limited edition both decks will be funded simply by selling those.
Making a green deck required would severely limit the ability to get good artists for the annual decks.

I agree 100% and I'm finally happy to see this deck come to fruition. The annual UC deck is like Theo Epstein- if a deck isn't funding or a baseball team is cursed, in comes UC or Theo to fund the deck or win a World Series!

Let's not politicize the annual decks, especially when they are funding.

That was never my intent. I guess I was just venting because two years ago I really wanted to see the Insomnia edition created but instead an ULE was released that I couldn't afford. But I know in that instance it was one of those "it is what it is" type of situations and same with this year- those ULE decks need to be released in order to increase the funding which, in turn, should lead to the LE decks being unlocked. I understand that and I think it's a great idea as well. In fact, it looks like it might happen this year- according to the latest Edgy Bros. update, they might plan on releasing it a little early so

Personally, I would like to see UC decks(le version) offered to UC users only. Just food for thought.

Now ^^THIS^^ is the type of UC perk I'm talking about

[Mike Ratledge]

I completely agree, but that being said from the artist perspective it's a nightmare just trying to keep the add ons straight (accounting wise) since KS doesn't handle those at all, really. Lotrek did exactly that, and I would love to see a members only version, but again - making it required would truly screw things up.

[vasta41]

I completely agree, but that being said from the artist perspective it's a nightmare just trying to keep the add ons straight (accounting wise) since KS doesn't handle those at all, really. Lotrek did exactly that, and I would love to see a members only version, but again - making it required would truly screw things up.

I hear ya- better to have 1 annual UC deck than none at all. Not to mention 1 UC deck designed by really good artists!

[vasta41]

Green version released early! I know it happened a few days ago but I thought I'd let the peeps here know. YAY!!!

[badpete69]

Limited greens available

[Bikefanatic]

I wonder if someone would want to switch/trade a limited blue for a limited green deck. .