Siren's Deck- OCM playing cards - relaunch soon

[jerichoholic]

Wow, after all the drama this ends up cancelled?

[Mike Ratledge]

Wow, after all the drama this ends up cancelled?

As much as Bill / Jian knew about cards, the end of the campaign was finding out that Expert PCC would not print decks of only 500 units.

hmmm....

[billdragon]

I know. that's what I thought too. I was like you gotta be kidding me, I was totally ready to place orders.

I think veeve reminded me a few days ago about min orders. but I am not sure why my brain didn't go that direction to think further.
In fact, I am not sure why my brain totally missed this huge error until now.

So, I took a day to rest and read up everything on mpc. I think I am gonna have to go with them but do submit artwork first.
(oh man, I am prob like the most troublesome rookie on uc now meeting 3 hovics on first project)

if you guys have any warnning for me for printing on mpc or anything I should be aware of. please do leave me a comment.

[52JokesandCounting]

I am not too keen with MPC deck yet... I am guessing you will be losing some backers

[billdragon]

yea, me too. they print in guangdong, dg productions, I heard its not as accurate as the taiwan printed ones (epcc, lpcc)
I sent them a message but I still havn't heard from them yet in 3 days. I am going to call npcc later to check their info.

not a lot of choice to figure this out. its like


uspcc-----half states printed,half china printed
epcc/lpcc------taiwan/china printed
npcc------europe? or china? need confirm

self printed---canadian northview print factory,imported paper from europe/states

eitherway, I will post a preview link and exclus. images for new editions on uc later int he week, to see if anyone can help me inspect the situation.

[Talisman]

Jian, don't be afraid to ask questions here. This is the place for that with many here that have a wealth of information about the playing card companies worldwide. Hey just ask Mike (admin) or Jarl Ratledge...same guy (inside joke between him and I) he comes from aristocracy...blue blood. Anyways, all kidding aside he knows a lot or knows who to ask. Why do you think he's running things here?

Edit: There are quite a few members here that have direct contact with some at the playing card companies.

[sms69x]

npcc------europe? or china? need confirm

Printer is located in Ukraine.

I wouldn't consider these, I receive my Chivalry decks which were printed by NPCC, but the quality is bad. The tuck is excelent and the artwork is also great (with metallic ink it is even greater) but the quality of the stock is very bad.

[PrincessTrouble]

npcc------europe? or china? need confirm

Printer is located in Ukraine.

I wouldn't consider these, I receive my Chivalry decks which were printed by NPCC, but the quality is bad. The tuck is excelent and the artwork is also great (with metallic ink it is even greater) but the quality of the stock is very bad.

I agree. I pledged for the Chivalry when it was going to be printed by LPCC. After the campaign ended, they switched to NPCC. I really wanted the Legends deck. The NPCC cards are crappy.

[billdragon]

thank you tail,sms, moderator princess ( >.> aristocracy + blue blood+viking. dammm, admin too badass )

Sorry to hear about chilvary deck. that is really d*** move, some one actually switched printer AFTER the campaign!??? wow
Lpcc to npcc is huge in difference from stock to printing.

I wont contact npcc then, doesn't feels reliable. and I care alot about paper quality, don't like bad stocks. thank you sms.

I got replies from yuki at mpc, I will most likely go with them. They are very transparent with price and printing locations. seems like nice bunch of people too


p.s I saw mike's post on his noveau deck. omg, he actually pinpointed the ship that ships the card from taiwan >.< so amazing professional,dam. hahaha

[Talisman]

Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but MPC is used mostly by playing card creators for prototype decks since they can print as low as 1 deck if you want. They do this to get an idea of what the deck would look like before they go ahead and get it printed from one of the big printing companies.

[sms69x]

Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but MPC is used mostly by playing card creators for prototype decks since they can print as low as 1 deck if you want. They do this to get an idea of what the deck would look like before they go ahead and get it printed from one of the big printing companies.

This is true, but they also have produced their own decks, and some very interesting, checkout the Impressions playing Cards series, for the innovation they put in, the cards are actually pretty decent.

[jsantafe]

That's quite a frequent debate: is NPCC better quality than MPC?

[Talisman]

That's quite a frequent debate: is NPCC better quality than MPC?

I just read an article earlier this morning on this on PlayingCardForum, and from there it was said NPCC is not better than MPC

[jerichoholic]

I agree with that, I think MPC is better. NPCC cards tend to stick together when spreading and fanning, I believe because of an edge left on the faces from cutting. MPC doesn't have this problem and the cards handle fine.

[NoirArts]

Because of the debates regarding our and MPC's cardstock, we would like to inform everyone that NPCC uses EXACTLY THE SAME 310 gsm linen German black core paper (just compare Chivalry/Indictus/Nipponia with corresponding MPC deck)


"http://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/ ... -card.html

310gsm German master quality card stock with black core (linen air finish) -Minimum order quantity of 1000 required for this option"

and a few words about playingcardforum.com :
it contains very few feedbacks, and only on our early decks. There is no up-to-date info on our latest projects.


We constantly working to improve quality, from deck to deck, as well as offer more exclusive features for the decks to be really unique. Didn't want to jump forward and reveal, but our next major improvement will be with new coating. We are currently testing and choosing new coating formula, which will feel much better than current one.

best regards
Roman

[jerichoholic]

What stock did you guys use on the Defunctorums? Those were pretty similar to USPC imo and then wasn't used again.

[NoirArts]

What stock did you guys use on the Defunctorums? Those were pretty similar to USPC imo and then wasn't used again.

If you compare Defunctorum and Nipponia, you can note the following differences:
1. Card stock type: 295gsm on Defunctorum vs 310gsm for Nipponia
2. Look: Nipponia is slightly thicker
3. Feel: Defunctorum is slightly softer than Nipponia
4. Handling: in order for Nipponia to achieve the same/better handling as Defunctorum - you'd need to shuffle them a bit.The more you do so, the better it handles. Yes, we are aware about this detail. The reason is that we had to replace one of the coating components due to manufacturer's certification and regulatory issues.

And, as I said in my previous post, after the tests we are going to update coating formula for better handling and avoid this "shuffle-thing".

[sms69x]

Because of the debates regarding our and MPC's cardstock, we would like to inform everyone that NPCC uses EXACTLY THE SAME 310 gsm linen German black core paper (just compare Chivalry/Indictus/Nipponia with corresponding MPC deck)

The stock maybe the same but the finish or coating is very different. MPC decks fan ok right out of the box, while NPCC's don't, and here I'm refering the Chivalry deck, which fans very poorly. Maybe, as you said, it's needed to shuffle the deck several times in order for it to fan and handle better, but I rarely use my decks too much, so I can only tell the experience with decks as they are right out of the box!

[billdragon]

a la. whats going on here. someone from npcc came. [BACON]

yea, actually when my Canadian mate there said something about npcc deck not able to fan properly because of a edge cut. I suspected it might be the coating instead as I myself do have good knowledge in professional printing/cutting with industrial level printers. thank you for clearing that part for us, noir

coating can be a big concern as it directly effects the ink outputs and the state of the ink that's on top of the paper. especially when temperature and printer type is involved.

I know for sure that decks produced in china or taiwan (basically china again) won't have big paper quality problems even if the production is cheap. Since china is the origin country that invented paper and printing (some history here) and the process has been very much matured. they are just really good with papers from the earliest rice papers to the newest triple coated papers,

anyways. all this aside, I am going to relaunch Tuesday Evenning Canadian est time and I will post some uc exclusive views of the abysses deck and new link. looking forward for everyone's critic. [BACON]

[NoirArts]

Hey billdragon
Yes we are here, checking out Nice project, though
Very few comments from us does not mean that we are not monitoring what's going on here, hehe

..coating can be a big concern as it directly effects the ink outputs and the state of the ink that's on top of the paper. especially when temperature and printer type is involved...

Exactly! you are absolutely right. Moreover, for very complicated graphics and highly detailed thin elements or special inks (special gold/silver or other metallics, etc.) it is required to use special additives for inks stick to paper. They affect further coating process as well as final handling feel (tons of tech things needs to be considered).

What I wanted to mention - is that we are constantly improving. And every new deck's quality is better. Better cut, better tucks, embossing, seals, and many more. You can't just start from scratch, and become the best right away. We have a goal - and working to achieve it. Constructive criticism is always valuable and appreciated.

[RichK]

anyways. all this aside, I am going to relaunch Tuesday Evenning Canadian est time and I will post some uc exclusive views of the abysses deck and new link. looking forward for everyone's critic.

Looking forward to it.

[billdragon]

Hey guy

(relaunch is happening soon, I will edit this same post for relaunch link later so I don't waste extra uc post)

As you guys know, a week ago I encountered a big problem where I misunderstood epcc's min requirement and had to change printer. So I paused the successful project to work on the issue.

During this time, I talked to yuki from mpc and decided to go with them as my time is limited.
I also took this time to look in to the future and check for any potential problems

Could you guys please help me check my preview link and let me know if you saw anything that doesn't feels right ? (calculation, rate, professional card spelling) <--I already fixed the "tuck" spelling

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/15 ... n=c3f4b8c9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

below is a list of main changes in short forms:

- diamond deck reverted to self publish with WG because of the printer change/ all other choices don't work

-shipping reverted back to normal ks rate shipping (dropped cad and new post rate, I reduced the price for all products I have in compensation, and I included a new tier where I feature the card and the box. I also reverted the shipping rate because I do not want another miscalculation to occur that puts me to relaunch, its stressful)

-ancient joker is put on link cards (extra 2 card in mpc counts as extra 20 cards price)

- a secret code is added in to the ancient deck
-book mark set is improved and backer badge is added ( will reveal in relaunch)

-abysses deck reveal sneak peak, exclusive reveal on uc

below is a list of doubts in my mind atm [BACON]
( I know the award section feels a bit high right now, I put my rethink in terms of backers after I get some sleep first, please let me know any suggestions)

- does the ace/jqk pictures feels fuzzy?
- am I missing award tiers?
-am I spelling any prof. card word wrong?
- does the page still feels too long? or is that alright

- shipping rate feels high, but it seems like other ks project are having the same trouble. anyone any suggestions?
I am going with canada post. ups is too high, fulfillment is also high and feels unreliable to me.( I like to put things under my control for this project so I don't make mistakes)

That's all for now [BACON]
thank you guys/admin,moderators,sentinals,kings,queens,deathvaders,journeymen,whatever being out there on uc




p.s I havn't seen mike at all in the recent week after his comment on my campaign for my new problem. is everything alright with admin?

[billdragon]

guys, please ignore my grammer mistakes for now. I been working for a long period and require a much needed sleep.

please fire me away, and I will read everything after some sleep

[JofDiamonds]

guys, please ignore my grammer mistakes for now. I been working for a long period and require a much needed sleep.

please fire me away, and I will read everything after some sleep

*Grammar*

hehehehe


What popped out to me is, on the right joker, the - let's call it a clawed bikini top - seems oddly flat, like the shading is off. But it might just be me.

[CBJ]

PLease don't start more than one thread for the same campaign

Jason

[billdragon]

I understand.

its a different campaign with same material and new deck

but my problem is that the edit ability for my previous post was shut down. I can't put in link or pictures.

can someone turn my edit ability for my first post back on so I can put in the new link

[Mike Ratledge]

p.s I havn't seen mike at all in the recent week after his comment on my campaign for my new problem. is everything alright with admin?

Bill, my wife had a heart attack, so I have been a bit busy taking care of her and doing the radiology tests ("x-ray") we found she has a hiatal hernia also. It's not much fun, very painful and we're both quite worried about the outcome, so I have been 'quiet'.

I unlocked the OP ("Original Post") back at the first of this topic/thread, so you can adjust it as you want. For now I just changed it to read "relaunch soon" - you may want to 'fix' it or change it as appropriate both now and when you actually relaunch the campaign. A new "kickup" (kickstarter & kicktraq) needs to be inserted once the project is launched: there's no way to know what the actual URL will be once you push the big green button (known problem - it's been that way 'forever'), so you can't fix it until after you actually launch again. Usually that post is made by a mod, but since you posted it, feel free to update it as you see fit, normally one of the team will go put the new "(kickup)xxx(/kickup)" code in for you.

[RichK]

billdragon,

I, and a VJ, have posted feedback. They need answers.

[billdragon]

rich vj, I just saw it. sorry, I 've been busy trying to make a post buisness account so I can save money on shipping.
I will get to you guys right after this.



admin. I had the feeling it was something like that since a week ago. I got a bit worried.
please, don't mind me. I can continue post here and work my problem out.

please do take your time to sort out your parts.
and if anything i can do, let me know.


p.s I worked out some solutions to cheapen the cost. I have a very long update I need to make tonight. if you were part of my old campaign, stay tuned

[billdragon]

the new relaunch link is here

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/15 ... m-workshop" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've made edits the main post here. and changed attachments to abysses

I did find a cheaper and faster shipping from draft (tm buisness shipping card) campaign and underwent ks review for project this time.

that's all.
thx guys.